size. And it’s funny, but every computer since the Apple I, including the
Polymorphics technology Sol computer that came next (it was out of our club),
had a keyboard and a video display. No computer had done this before that. No
small computer was coming with a keyboard yet. The Apple I was the first and
the Apple II was the third. Basically every computer since then had a keyboard
and a video display. The world has never gone back from that day. Now the
Apple II was the great design. I designed it...

This whole industry’s springing up and there are articles about it. And no
article could skip a company with a name like Apple.
Livingston: How’d you come up with “Apple”?
Wozniak: Steve came up with it. I do remember that one. I picked him up at
the San Francisco airport and I was driving down the Bay on 101 and then on
85, and it was on 85 that he said, “Oh, I’ve got a name for the company. Apple
Computer.” Both of us were sitting there trying to come up with techie names...

living and life and where we’re going and where we’re from and what’s it all
about and what works and what doesn’t. It was a lot more Bob Dylan stuff than
normal popular music that intrigued us. So we’d go to concerts. I was going off
to Berkeley, but I’d be down on weekends. Every time I was down, we’d link up,
have a pizza, whatever.
Livingston: What were the first things you did after Steve suggested starting a
company? You were still working at HP, right?
Wozniak: The very first thought in...

Livingston: How did you know Steve?
Wozniak: That computer that was like the Altair that I’d built 5 years before—
Cream Soda Computer—I’d told a friend down the block, Bill Fernandez,
about it, and we agreed to solder it up in his garage. We spent about 2 weeks
soldering my design together. We’d ride our bikes down to buy cream soda and
come back and drink it, so we called it the Cream Soda Computer. Bill went to
our high school, and he said, “There’s another guy at Homestead High School,
younger than...

Wozniak: Yes. Once I got that much of the Basic done, we had to store a big
program efficiently somehow on mass media. I used a tape recorder so I
wouldn’t have to type it in for 40 minutes. But that came pretty late in the
game. I had developed the whole Basic without it really.
Livingston: And you showed it off at the Homebrew Computer Club?
Wozniak: Every 2 weeks I brought my computer, which became the Apple I,
down. We hadn’t decided to start a company. Because companies weren’t my
thing,...