anyone could look...
anyone could look at this and say, “Now I know how I would do my own.” They
could type in the programs on their own Apple II and then see “that’s how that
works” instantly, and know how to write their own programs. Running cards
was the most important thing. All these companies started up making cards that
you could plug into your Apple II and write a little software (mostly games at
first) on cassette tapes. You’d go to the store and they’d just have all this stuff
that you could buy to enhance the Apple II. So one of our big keys to success
was that we were very open. There’s a big world out there for other people to
come and join us.
In the years 1980 to ’83, when the Apple II was the largest-selling computer
in the world, we didn’t advertise it once. Everybody else who was making products
for it was advertising for it. All of our ads were for the Apple III, which
never sold in that time frame. Because we were trying to make the Apple III
the big business machine instead of IBM.
Livingston: That didn’t happen, right?
Wozniak: That didn’t happen. I think it was a total fallacy. I think we should
have advertised the Apple II. If you’ve got the world’s best-selling computer,
keep it going as much as it can. But the company kind of wanted the Apple III
to win and the Apple II to lose. It was really weird because you’d walk into the
company and everybody had an Apple III on their desk—nobody had an Apple
II. The Apple II was the largest-selling computer in the world, and the only guy
working for it in the company was the guy reprinting the price list.
Then by ’83, the IBM PC took over. It was selling more computers than the
Apple II.
Livingston: You had left by then, though, so you weren’t part of the Apple III,
right?
Wozniak: I didn’t exactly leave. I didn’t leave college either; I didn’t drop out.
Between my second and third year of college, I worked for a year programming
to earn money for my third year. After my third year of college, I crashed my car
and totaled it. It was a very famous night, the night I met Captain Crunch of
blue box fame. Later that night, I got home, picked up my car, drove back to
Berkeley at 3:00 a.m., and I fell asleep on the freeway and totaled my car.
I walked to my dorm and told my roommates, “It’s a good thing I didn’t pay the
quarterly parking fee.”
So after my third year of college, I took a year off to work, to earn money for
my fourth year. Then I got that job at Hewlett-Packard. What an incredible job.
And then my career started going up, and I had all these side projects that I was
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