to prepare much more thoroughly. The whole boy-genius thing had to be discarded
for the much more serious attitude and language.
Livingston: Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?
Levchin: No.
Livingston: You didn’t make any mistakes?
Levchin: There are all sorts of tactical decisions that we made here and there
that played out to be wrong, but it’s not like I could have predicted it. It’s not
one of these things that I’m now smarter and therefore I could have done it
even better. I think, given the information available at the time, I would have
likely chosen the same outcome. There are some business decisions that I think
we made incorrectly, where we partnered with some companies, but generally
in financial industries, partnerships are not . . . we got screwed and had to back
out, but, in retrospect, these are not major.
I think we hired the absolute best people, we were able to do things pretty
well on average, and we had lots of fun.
Livingston: Did things change a lot after PayPal was acquired?
Levchin: I think the acquirers tend to be more—it pays to be different from the
founders; otherwise, you still have this clinging-on of the original culture. It’s
very sad that, when you buy a company, you have to sort of squash a lot of the
original stuff, but if you don’t, you foster this festering of distrust and dislike. So
you just have to get through the unpleasant bits as fast as you can and go on
doing business. Which doesn’t make it any easier for the early people or the
founders, but I don’t know any other format in which you can acquire companies.
You could let them be on their own, but then you aren’t really getting any
of the benefits.
Usually, when you acquire companies, you sort of calculate these synergies,
which is this nebulous number: if we take you and we take me and we combine
it, we can get rid of this much stuff and this many people. It’s really painful to
hear about it, but that’s why people buy companies. eBay bought us because,
for a while, they had their own floundering payment service. They had 65 people
that were doing this thing called Billpoint that was an also-ran in the payment
space. They did particularly poorly. Even though they were bought by
eBay and they were the eBay solution, they still got completely smashed by us.
The ultimate justice was carried out when they bought us and they
announced to those people that they were going to be let go. It’s really painful.
I wouldn’t want to be on their side at all. Finding out that you’re being told to

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